A Creationist Comments

Saturday, December 18, 2004

Mars and Water

There's also "Implications for hydrologic processes on Mars from extensive bedrock outcrops throughout Terra Meridiani" by Brian M. Hynek (Nature v. 431, 9 Sept. '04, p. 156) that some may find more interesting and relevant than I do.

It is rather amusing to see scientists trying to prove there was lots of water on Mars when they can't see the evidence for a global Flood here on watery Earth, and to watch them squirm in anticipation of having a chance to claim that life evolved on Mars (or could have).

Even if we found water and even primitive life on Mars, that wouldn't be any more evidence that life could evolve. God might well have created Mars as a place where humans could move to (perhaps with an exciting terraforming project) but it was ruined when Man fell into sin and didn't develop properly, perhaps especially by some powerful event at the time of the Flood on Earth.

Until Next Time,

David Bump
Philippians 3: 13 Brethren, I
count not myself to have
apprehended: but [this] one thing
[I do], forgetting those things
which are behind, and reaching
forth unto those things which are
before, 14 I press toward the
mark for the prize of the high
calling of God in Christ Jesus.

http://home.att.net/~david.bump

Tuesday, December 14, 2004

Oceans 1.84 Billion Years Ago....or so they Say

Our experts in geology and any interested in geological matters for comparing with their Flood model will want to look at "The transition to a sulphidic ocean ~1.84 billion years ago" by Poulton, Fralick, & Canfield, Nature v. 431, 9 Sept. '04, p. 173.

The abstract (opening paragraph) dates the "largely anoxic" (free-oxygen free) Archean aeon to >2.5 Gyr ago (more than 2 and a half billion aka thousand million years ago), "and the dominantly oxic world" that we live in "of the Phanerozoic" to <0.54 Gyr (less than 540 million years, about the time of the Cambrian explosion) ago. This makes the Proterozoic aeon in between of special interest to evolutionists.

"Traditionally" they've thought that "an increase in atmospheric oxygen around 2.3 Gyr ago" lead to increased oxygen levels in the ocean. The big geologic clue to when the oxygenation had increased to a significant amount is the absence of banded iron formations in strata dated younger than "around 1.8 Gyr ago." This article claims that what really ended the iron deposits was an indirect effect as oxygen in the air caused increased "sulphide weathering" of the barren rocks of the dry land, and it was the level of suphides in the water that stopped the iron deposition by turning it into pyrite.

The researchers studied "sediments from the ~1.8-Gyr-old Animikie group, Canada" and using "iron-sulphur-carbon (Fe-S-C) systematics" they claim to "demonstrate continued ocean anoxia after the final global deposition of BIF and show that a transition to sulphidic bottom waters was ultimately responsible for the termination of BIF deposition." I didn't wade through the article itself to see how they ruled out the possibility that these conditions (if they're interpreting the data correctly) were merely local.

Until Next Time,

David Bump
Philippians 3: 13 Brethren, I
count not myself to have
apprehended: but [this] one thing
[I do], forgetting those things
which are behind, and reaching
forth unto those things which are
before, 14 I press toward the
mark for the prize of the high
calling of God in Christ Jesus.

http://home.att.net/~david.bump

Sunday, December 12, 2004

Genetic Variations

"Epigenetic regulation of translation reveals hidden genetic variation to produce complex traits" by True, Berlin, & Lindquist (Nature v. 431, 9 Sept. '04, p. 184) is one of those interesting reports that evolutionists might point to as supporting them, but may actually be very favorable to creation science. The pro-evolution argument would be that it shows a new mechanism to produce macroevolutionary change, but it looks to me like it shows a designed ability to adapt within certain limits rather than being forced to evolve or die.

Perhaps the first thing to note is that this study used Saccharomyces cerevisiae, a common yeast derived from "brewer's yeast." Yeast, plants, and animals have some significant differences in reproduction/genetics, so I'm not sure how broadly the significance of the study can be taken.

The second, but perhaps most important, observation I would make is that it seems doubtful that the traits observed can be described as "complex." Maybe "complex trait" has some technical definition that has nothing to do with the complexity of the organism. It looks like all they observed was changes in the resistance or sensitivity to different chemicals.

Judging from past cases, neither would require an increase in complexity beyond what exists or existed in some current or previous strain of the yeast. Finally, it appears the authors are not ruling out the possibility that this mechanism of adaptation merely unlocks potential variations currently hidden in "junk DNA."

What it's all about is "A single factor, the yeast prion [PSI+]," which is "a conserved, protein-based genetic element that is formed by a change in the conformation and function of the translation termination factor." The yeast can be "cured" of this prion by growing the yeast on guanidine hydrochloride. When this is done, it "alters their survival in different growth conditions and produces a spectrum of phenotypes." Apparently the prion limits the variability of the yeast. This study was aimed at finding out just what was going on. The researchers claim to show "that all traits tested involved [PSI+]-mediated read-through of nonsense codons."

Now, all this goes a bit over my head. I know that generally, prions are misfolded proteins that cause really nasty diseases like mad cow disease. In this case, however, it sounds to me like these prions are a misfolded version of a protein that's involved with chromosomes and normally serves as a stop sign or period when a cell is translating the DNA coding.

The odd thing here is that these researchers also seem to be saying that under certain conditions, having the prion form that allows the translation process to go right on into "junk DNA" regions allows the yeast to survive under certain conditions that it can't when "cured" of the prion. This ability to survive by reading through the "nonsense codons" can then become (more or less) permanent or the natural state of a strain of the yeast.

The vital questions for the relevance to creation v evolution are 1) does the survival on one substrate or another, the loss or gain of either condition, involve an increase in complexity, or merely a switching between equal levels? 2) Does the switch involve the acquisition of truly new genetic information in a way that random mutations can't provide? and does whatever apparent novelty that might arise actually reflect a designed, pre-existing source of variation for the specific purpose of providing adaptability in this one area? The report states "A probable source of the phenotypic diversity is the expression of information in previously silent regions of the genome."

I was just reading in a more recent issue about "cassettes" or sets of genetic material apparently designed ("by nature"?) to provide specific, limited variations where adaptability was required. This may be a similar case. The evolutionists are looking for new ways to introduce variation that they hope will be a better source of the virtually unlimited change they have to believe in than random mutations. What they may be finding I expect will turn out to show the complex design of built-in systems of limited adaptability that actually explains away some apparent "evolution."

It all depends on the true significance of the findings that inspired these statements: "However, the ability to switch to the [PSI+] state enables cells to benefit from a hidden potential to adapt and survive in particular circumstances." "Or are there mechanisms that allow organisms to draw on pre-existing genetic variation?" "...we suggest that protein folding mechanisms are likely to have important and unexpected roles in translating genotypes to phenotypes and are likely to influence evolution in ways that could not have been foreseen."

A sample of the technical details for those who may understand more about such things: The substrates the yeast were grown on were YPD (apparently the standard growth culture), 3 mM paraquat, 100 mM hydroxyurea, and 10 mM caffeine.


Until Next Time,

David Bump
Philippians 3: 13 Brethren, I
count not myself to have
apprehended: but [this] one thing
[I do], forgetting those things
which are behind, and reaching
forth unto those things which are
before, 14 I press toward the
mark for the prize of the high
calling of God in Christ Jesus.

http://home.att.net/~david.bump